Delivering the deepest, darkest insights into the U.S. national security enterprise. We interview leading experts, leaders, and insiders who can go beyond the headlines of what is happening in the intelligence, defense, and law enforcement communities. Join our hosts, Brian Drake and Lindy Kyzer, every week as they ask hard questions about the direction of the U.S., its Allies, and enemies.

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